The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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  • Lion of Zion
    Lion of Zion Πριν 17 ώρες

    Making profit while risking and gambling with people's lives.

  • wolemai
    wolemai Πριν 17 ώρες

    What an appalling way to engineer a plane!
    First you find a structural problem with the placement of new larger engines, don't redesign the plane so the problem is solved, instead add on a complex and otherwise unnecessary computer program to forcibly try and overcome the the continuous flight problem caused by the failure to redesign the plane to suit the new engines, then don't tell anyone about it and don't retrain the pilots to be able to cope with the complex and unnecssary computer program that takes control of the plane. What could possibly go wrong???
    This just goes against every tenant of engineering that I know of. You never try and solve a basic structural fault by tacking on some additional complexity.
    And what genious decided to give a computer program total control of a plane, so that even the pilot can't easily overide it?
    Have any of these morons ever seen the film 2001? Hal, the computer took control of the space craft, followed its basic directive, and murdered all the crew except one in the carrying out of its directive.
    Wake up world! Computers are not the infallible answer to all life's problems.

  • ziad ajam
    ziad ajam Πριν 17 ώρες

    Damn I was just about to invest in Boeing stock 😅

  • Henrik Thor
    Henrik Thor Πριν 18 ώρες

    That how it is with the airplane manufacturers, they make cynical economic calculations: This many crashes, this many casualties, this amount of money paid in compensations compared to installing expensive systems in their planes to prevent the crashes. And why? You see it yourself in the video: There is almost no competition with only two big companies dominating the market, they are so rich that they cannot go bankrupt even with thousands of casualties. This is why both Boeing and Airbus should have any type of plane grounded for a year after a crash. Here you have two crashes within a short period of time - so let them fix the problem, and THEN ground the planes for another two years. That will stop them making stupid, cynical calculations costing their customers their lives.

  • Zexers RBX
    Zexers RBX Πριν 19 ώρες

    Whoever defends the criminals behind these deserved to be on board the crashed planes.

  • GK Fujiwara Esquibel
    GK Fujiwara Esquibel Πριν 21 ώρα

    The New MCAS System
    And By That I Meant MCrASh System

  • anthony cannata jr
    anthony cannata jr Πριν 22 ώρες

    I will not fly on this type of plane, ever! All the wallets and shoes remind me of the Holocaust museum...damned Boeing, you have blood on your hands.

  • Fayte Leingod
    Fayte Leingod Πριν 23 ώρες

    Can someone explain to me why moving the engine up would cause the issue of the nose going up at full throttle? From my understanding, moving the center of thrust up should actually have the opposite effect?

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      You are correct. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • Mouse Killaz
    Mouse Killaz Πριν 23 ώρες +1

    Vox = Fake

  • Pat Rick
    Pat Rick Πριν 23 ώρες

    What's the hack? How many of them thar' plains have been built and in operation? 2 crashes only?

  • Rep0007
    Rep0007 Πριν ημέρα

    MCAS - May Crash Airplane Suddenly

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Bet it took you a couple of days to come up with that zinger.

  • arcangelkrlos
    arcangelkrlos Πριν ημέρα

    There should be people in jail already... But, uh, oh, is Boeing. There is a place that like to point fingers but when it comes to these kind of scandals, oopsy.

  • Mark Irwin
    Mark Irwin Πριν ημέρα

    LAW SUIT !!!!

  • Fazal M
    Fazal M Πριν ημέρα +2

    The 737 max is an inherently unstable design with its large engines hinging so much out and upward. Boeing literally redefined the flying rules for a stable aircraft since the first 737 plane from the 1960’s. Malfunctioning sensors exacerbated the issue further. Boeing must pay for all the deaths of innocent souls. The A320 Neo with its new bigger fan blade engines didn’t end up altering how the air flow moves around the aircraft, unlike this Max crap. Boeing’s reported 2 sensor theory for a better MCAS is bound to fail again for the aforementioned reason. Do not fly this plane if you wish to live. Even turning off the MCAS entirely isn’t enough to keep this max plane naturally stable because of its inherently flawed design.

  • larsik555
    larsik555 Πριν ημέρα

    Americans can only think about money. Don't like America. I am glad to live in the UK.

  • Coban
    Coban Πριν ημέρα +1

    So your telling me,
    ->The Ethiopian crash took place on the *10th of March 2019*.
    ->The complaint about MCAS took place on the *12 of March 2019*.
    ->The comment about how pilots needing no additional training (and the iPad thingy) took place on the *17th of March 2019*.
    ->The statement that every 737-MAX would be grounded took place on the *13 of March 2019*.
    ->And that the Lion Air crash took place in *October 2018*, (and you said they were operating the 737-MAX.
    Yet you said... Boeing only came up with the idea to move the engine on the plane up on the *20th of March 2019*, leading it to be pointless for Boeing to have called their normal 737, the 737-MAX without the new addition, and that Boeing wouldn't have made MCAS without the idea of the 737-MAX, meaning those crashes wouldn't have been caused... So what's going on?

  • Michael Towler
    Michael Towler Πριν ημέρα

    Heads need to roll at the highest level, The top management! What I get from this Video is why didn't they put a bigger undercarriage in to bring it up higher? Good Video, first I have seen that explains the fundlementals.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Their is no room in the airframe for longer gear. The entire plane would have to be redesigned. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • William Taylor
    William Taylor Πριν ημέρα

    Quilt or innocence is dependent upon how much money you have. Ask O.J.

  • 11thHrPro
    11thHrPro Πριν ημέρα

    How sad is this? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Boeing blame the error on the pilots in the beginning? Also, it was sad how the US was one of the last countries to finally ground this abomination of a plane.

  • Allen Walden
    Allen Walden Πριν ημέρα

    I'll never fly on a Boeing airplane again (if I can help it.)

  • GoldenMelody Zen Study
    GoldenMelody Zen Study Πριν ημέρα

    Software can't tackle fundamental problems. Even not being a prophet, I can predicate more Boeing airplane incidents are on the way.

  • Thefirstgalaxybeing
    Thefirstgalaxybeing Πριν ημέρα

    Excellent video. Wonder why the concerned fake news outlets of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX didn't tell us this. Oh yeah, they had to make sure we all know how all women are better than white men, and how queers are the best thing to ever walk the planet and illegal alien invaders are the new Obama-type saviors that are going to make the U.S. great again.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Funny how everybody claims they don't trust the media...until it confirms their bias.

  • JeanGuillaumeDB
    JeanGuillaumeDB Πριν ημέρα +1

    this is why capitalism is the problem

    • Rinzler Tron
      Rinzler Tron Πριν ημέρα

      Your stupidity, knows no bounds!!! You must be residing in Venezuela..

  • earpaper
    earpaper Πριν ημέρα +1

    American pilots know all about this and know what to do..................fear not. unless your from some backward country

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      +Fazal M Clearly you don't know what "inherent stability" means.

    • Fazal M
      Fazal M Πριν ημέρα

      earpaper Why is the max grounded in this forward country you speak of having forward pilots? Even turning off the MCAS entirely isn’t going to help, because the Max is an inherently unstable design versus the naturally stable 737 or A320 or any other plane without a quick fix solution to fix a 1960 vintage to keep it flying in 2018 onwards. The current crop of Americans at Boeing are no better than Chinese copy cat artists. Atleast China fixes things better after a few incidents. This max aircraft is totally doomed and only the 737 NG or Classic safe to fly.

  • Redrum Twins
    Redrum Twins Πριν ημέρα

    So they will make MCAS less aggressive...so what now , it will stall on take off? Its a bad design, they should have raised the plane higher off the ground and spent a little more money...
    Engineer and CEO down should be fired.

  • The Surreal
    The Surreal Πριν ημέρα

    Glad this happened with boeing...airbus is anyday better! sad for the lives lost but Boineg needs to die now!

  • Anthony Goldsmith
    Anthony Goldsmith Πριν ημέρα +1

    I would have no problem flying in the aircraft as it is now configured. The video is misleading. The MCAS was intended as an extra safety feature that would minimize stall risks. It was obviously defective and the failure to inform people being trained on the aircraft about *any* system that could impact an aircraft’s reaction to pilot input was a major failure. That being said *all* twin jet aircraft nose up in high thrust flight and there is nothing unique about the 737MAX in that regard. The engines being higher relative to the leading edge of the wing wouldn’t impact that phenomenon. Rather, the engines are more powerful and hence the aircraft can get into a higher angle of attack faster than a plane with less thrust. This did not necessitate the MCAS. It was an “extra” that turned out to be a catastrophe. Boeing will pay dearly for that. But the aircraft itself is not defective.

  • Anthony Goldsmith
    Anthony Goldsmith Πριν ημέρα +1

    They didn’t talk to pilots. The MCAS is obviously dangerous and training was required but wasn’t provided. But *all* twin jet aircraft pitch nose up during high thrust flight and the aircraft design isn’t unstable or dangerous.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      All planes with wing mounted engines tend to pitch up during high thrust.

  • Johnny Quest
    Johnny Quest Πριν ημέρα +1

    There are some facts here ... and also a lot of speculation. This stuff may sound reasonable, but there's little to substantiate it. Nor any citations.
    Thinkers beware.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Agree. I love the ones that say "It pitches up because the engines are too heavy and too far forward"..........like what?

  • raymond cole
    raymond cole Πριν ημέρα

    this is an attack piece against boeing and industry in general there is no objective viewpoint , boeing did try to correct the problem which had unforeseen problem they then grounded their own planes until a better solution could be used

  • Simon Begnor
    Simon Begnor Πριν ημέρα +1

    Where is the accountability ?
    The FAA and Boeing should be dragged before criminal and civil courts.....and if that means fines that result in Boeing going bust..so be it !
    The FAA are incompetent at best and complicit at worst (my money is on the latter).. as they wanted the US company to be able to compete against a European company and threat to America jobs.....Trump'ism at its best !!!!.....the FAA should protect the people not big business...in my book they are more culpable then the greedy Boeing exec's !....shame on all involved and god bless the victims

    • Deen Bloger
      Deen Bloger Πριν ημέρα

      It won't happen, because only black and brown people mostly died! Their lives are exependable...

  • Blue-Eyes White Dragon
    Blue-Eyes White Dragon Πριν ημέρα

    Money for lives. Really cruel

  • Halflifer
    Halflifer Πριν ημέρα

    Money > humans

  • x Disruptor
    x Disruptor Πριν ημέρα

    Like with the Challenger disaster it will take some time (centuries possibly) for us humans to finally pay attention to Mr. Feynman's warning: Mishandling high-tech infrastructure is bound to end up in disasters, very simply because nature and natural laws can't be tricked by gimmicks (may said gimmicks come from managers, CEOs or otherwise ...).

  • Jani Akujärvi
    Jani Akujärvi Πριν ημέρα

    Now this is a Great Video!

  • clsman89
    clsman89 Πριν ημέρα

    EU should ground and ban all the newer Boeing models which were given green light by FAA

  • alexn310
    alexn310 Πριν ημέρα

    Im gonna fly to thailand in a few weeks, hope my flight doesn't crash D:

  • Julius Black
    Julius Black Πριν ημέρα

    Where we droppin boys?

  • Steve Inskip
    Steve Inskip Πριν ημέρα +1

    I take on average 70 flights a year and it’ll be a piggin’ long time before I get on one of those things even when they are signed off as safe. Someone is responsible for this and should be made accountable.....this was a known issue and they still flew! You can’t do ‘field development’ on an aircraft full of passengers!!!!

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      +charles harper Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

    • charles harper
      charles harper Πριν ημέρα

      Strapping a huge modern engine on a 60 year old airframe that lacks the ground clearance needed was idiocy and pure greed.

  • LordAxe
    LordAxe Πριν ημέρα +1

    Corporate murder.

  • Old Iron
    Old Iron Πριν ημέρα +2

    Why do Boeing designs even need pilots if the plane won't let them fly the plane???????

  • Hendra Stevan
    Hendra Stevan Πριν ημέρα

    Napa ga kaki"nya aja yg di tinggikan biar ga naik"in mesin gitu...

  • Michael Knight
    Michael Knight Πριν ημέρα +1

    So the plane is not the same, and instead of telling pilots about it they installed a system that pilots didn't even know about. Sounds like criminal negligence to me.

    • charles harper
      charles harper Πριν ημέρα

      And the NY Times report that the Max simulators didn't even have MCAS programmed into the simulations.
      So there was no way pilots could have learned how to deal with it...

  • Anie Guerrero
    Anie Guerrero Πριν ημέρα

    I came back to watch this again because just a few days ago a portion of a leading edge flap from a Boeing 747 washed ashore of the island I live on.

  • Jonathan Day
    Jonathan Day Πριν ημέρα

    Boieng is going to have to pay billions in total compensation to all the deceased peoples families because it can be proved that they knew they were going to die for several minutes before both crashes.

  • Rali272
    Rali272 Πριν ημέρα

    That engineer is going to kill himself

  • 760SAVAGE
    760SAVAGE Πριν ημέρα

    well this makes me not want to ever get on a plane again

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      You are far more likely to get struck by lightening, than die in a plane crash. 40,000 people die in car accident every year in the US alone. Flying is exceptionally safe.

  • Austin Fu
    Austin Fu Πριν 2 ημέρες +1

    MCAS, a software cannot be overrided by pilots and has no malfunction protection mechanisms. This kind of design has been proved to be lethal almost 60 years ago. Somehow, the FAA managed to ignore this obvious deficit and gave Boeing the airworthiness certificate. And continue to denying the problem and refused to ground the fleet after the two devastating accidents until Trump gave the order. What a joke. Well done FAA you murderers.

  • Renato Stiefenhofer
    Renato Stiefenhofer Πριν 2 ημέρες +1

    ​Update : According various sources and the official preliminary report all airlines worldwide and every single 737 MAX pilot received, after the first crash, a "bulletin" (nov 6th, 2018) how to cope with this (MCAS, stabilizer) problem, including the 29 year old, inexperienced captain of the crashed Ethiopian Air 737-8 MAX. We all have a copy of the preliminary report with the address of "Ethiopian Airlines" on it. He apparently did not follow the Boeing procedure correctly. Period.
    After first correctly turning off the hydraulic trim, he elected to switch ON the "stab trim cutout switches", again. That was the final nail in the coffin, after he forgot to reduce thrust (he never touched the thrust levers after liftoff... they were left at about 92% N1). Logically the aircraft accellerated to a extremely high speed, way too high for the electric and manual trim. And then they crashed with high speed (between 460 and 500 knots).
    His copilot had a mere 361 hours total (including Cessna 150...!), and 207 hours on the 737 passenger aircraft. He was of no help, at all. I don't blame him. I blame Ethiopian Air.
    The captain spent 6705 hours of his total time of 8122 hours in the copilots seat on longhaul trips, mostly operating the radios, getting a landing once in a while. According this (official) number he had way fewer than one thousand landings... He had only exactly 1417 hours as a captain and on 737, including training. He was a rookie as a captain and a posterboy for his company.
    The procedures on stabilizer problems are very clear. The captain was inexperienced and overwhelmed with a manageble problem, in daylight and VMC. Other 737-MAX pilots had no problems and saved the day and hundreds of lives. That's what passengers expect from us.
    Blame Ethiopian Air for scheduling a pedestrian pilot with a rookie captain.
    Was the MCAS a problem? Yes, partly. But most of the time the problem is sitting in the cockpit, not following procedures correctly.
    .

    • charles harper
      charles harper Πριν ημέρα

      Absolute bloody rubbish.
      In fact the NY Times is reporting the Max simulators didn't even have MCAS programmed into it, and couldn't simulate this problem.
      Further, US pilots have said that they WERE NOT informed of it:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=

      grclip.com/video/CshWIpB-8Mw_/βίντεο.html4xBXXng

  • Benc 9000
    Benc 9000 Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Fly in an airbus instead

  • UncleBrian61
    UncleBrian61 Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Everything must be subservient to corporate profits. Even humans lives. That is the world view that dominates our government.

  • Alexa Cardente
    Alexa Cardente Πριν 2 ημέρες

    this is not the reason why these accidents keep happening. its because pilots who have not flown these types of planes before are briefed way to quickly and thus make mistakes. Its often foreign pilots who fly american planes such as Boeing and the airlines give them little training on how to use them.

  • Dan Kuchar
    Dan Kuchar Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Too much propaganda in this. All the pilot had to do was turn the thing off that was malfunctioning and everything would have been fine. But the pilot screwed up. Before you go jump and do conclusions, wait for more information. This isn't the one side argument or failure.

  • Omar Alfonso
    Omar Alfonso Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Old design forget it and replace by a 757 max

  • Solengarugar Subarbengabu
    Solengarugar Subarbengabu Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Boeing needs to be punished for this just like the Roundup company had to pay $2 billion to a couple based off of dubious evidence it caused cancer.
    We know Boeing killed people. There is real evidence they have blood on their hands. They should have to pay $20 billion to all the people who died in the 2 MAX 8 crashes.
    DONALD TRUMP!!! YOU MUST ACT NOW AND FORCE BOEING TO PAY REPARATIONS!!!!! YOU SHOULD ALSO NATIONALIZE BOEING SO THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMMIT SUCH ATROCITIES AGAIN!!!!!!

  • Mike E
    Mike E Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Why allow a software that will "fight" the pilots for control? Maybe a reminder to the pilots to keep the nose a little lower on take off with the Max 8. They are capable of that, they're pilots, not booger eaters. Let them fly the plane.

    • Vicky S
      Vicky S Πριν ημέρα

      The reason the computer fought with them is due to a faulty AOA sensor. This was a single point failure....Boeing only put in one AOA sensor for the MCAS. The computer was getting erroneous data from the faulty sensor with no other data to compare it to.

  • Jack Yarbrough
    Jack Yarbrough Πριν 2 ημέρες

    I fly almost daily on United Airlines and never feared an airplane. Still this confirms my suspicions...that plane is basically unbalanced and they are using software to correct a plane that just is not stable. I never will board another MAX. Boeing has built a fundamentally flawed machine in my opinion.

    • Why Soitanly
      Why Soitanly Πριν ημέρα

      When does "unbelievably dumb" segue into "criminally liable"? The entire 737 fleet was designed around a lowered profile so that baggage handlers would not need to ride a lift to open the baggage hatches. That's the principal reason the engines are so close to the ground (17 inches). A truly stupid, fifty year old design decision. Maybe if Boeing had just lengthened the main landing gear a couple of feet to accommodate larger engines hundreds of passengers would not have been killed. No need for MCAS. Who gives a damn about inconveniencing baggage handlers? Apparently, Boeing senior management values them over the lives of their passengers.
      www.thedailybeast.com/before-fatal-lion-air-crash-boeings-new-jet-hit-problem-in-tests

  • Wayne Li
    Wayne Li Πριν 2 ημέρες

    As a control system engineer, this claim is obviously wrong. Beliefs like this stem from a lack of understanding of what control systems, such as the MCAS, are supposed to do. A control system is a software program that manipulates inputs, such as fins, to make an unstable system stable. Any model of a plane has hundreds if not thousands of unstable systems. There is a control system for each and every one of these unstable systems. For example if there is a instability that causes the plane to roll our of control, then there would be a roll control system to fix this. Or if there was an instability that would cause the plane lose control easily in turbulence, then there would be a control system that activates and fixes this particular problem only when there is turbulence. In other words, planes are always on the verge of flailing out of the sky. It's the work of hundreds of control systems at the same time that prevent this.
    When we introduce a new model of a plane, some of the old instabilities of the plane go away but some new instabilities appear. This is just the nature of the beast as different models have different sets of instabilities. So the MCAS wasn't a software band-aid for a new single instability introduced by the changed design of the 737 MAX. Rather the MCAS was a control system among many new control systems to deal with a very different set of instabilities.

    But planes did crash right? So something had to be designed wrong? Yeah so the MCAS was designed pretty shitedly for many reasons I won't go in today because I'd have to teach you guys all about control systems. But yeah having one sensor instead of two or three is one the more obvious and easier to understand ones. Anyway my point is that the design isn't fundamentally flawed and control systems like the MCAS aren't just band-aids for flaws. It's just that the MCAS is one out of hundreds of control systems that wasn't designed well.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες +1

      I like where you are going with this, though, 737's not being fly by wire don't have so many of these systems. MCAS is not a critical flight system. As many have wrongfully derided the MAX for being unstable, this is not the case. MCAS was implemented to give the MAX the same "feel" as the previous models to earn it the same type rating. The type rating is critical to the airlines for logistics. Since MCAS was only added to satisfy an FAA requirement for the type rating, if the system didn't work or did nothing, there is no problem. unfortunately Boeing did not consider what MCAS would do with faulty AOA data, or assumed all pilots were well trained enough to arrest a runaway trim event. The New version of MCAS will read data from both AOA sensors, and deactivate if the AOA disagree is more than 5%. If MCAS turns off there is no problem as, once again, The MAX is a good plane tarnished by some faulty software.

  • Earl Edward
    Earl Edward Πριν 2 ημέρες +1

    Poorly conceived idea to make more money quickly to satisfy stockholders. and the flying public is the looser.

  • L B
    L B Πριν 2 ημέρες +1

    Nobody with any intelligence believes anything Vox has to say......lmao!

  • Tank gamer
    Tank gamer Πριν 2 ημέρες

    money money money money that's all people care about these days

  • Tim Yann
    Tim Yann Πριν 2 ημέρες

    A very sad fact. Unfortunately our desire and drive to achievement is blinding as and disconnects our logical thinking

  • Jack Smith
    Jack Smith Πριν 2 ημέρες

    What causes most automobile accidents? Driver error! What causes most plane accidents? Pilot error!

  • Jack Smith
    Jack Smith Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Pilot error caused these incidents. They did not know what to do when MCAS failed. They were supposed to turn the system off. They did not and or turned it back on again. The Ethiopian plane was as high as 13000 feet. They needed to leave the system off and turned it back on again. It may come out that Boeing may have some liability for not better informing the airlines on how to handle the situation but the pilots should have already known? The day before the Lion Air crash a pilot shut off the system and flew it safely manually. Pilot lack of ability caused these crashes? Do not blame Boeing until all the facts are known VOX?

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      +Roos in space They needed to know how to arrest a runaway stabilizer as this is how MCAS malfunction manifests. All 737 pilots are trained on this procedure.

    • Roos in space
      Roos in space Πριν 2 ημέρες

      strictly speaking the MCAS should not have failed in the first place, that's a major software mistake by boeing. and lack of training for pilots in the case of MCAS failure. did the pilots even know MCAS is on the new planes?

  • Pura Periculo
    Pura Periculo Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Team Airbus for life !!

  • Matthew B
    Matthew B Πριν 2 ημέρες +2

    And meanwhile, everyone in the US who invested in high speed rail, is gleefully rubbing their hands together!

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Gavin Newsome canceled the program in California.

  • batamist
    batamist Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Unbalanced aircraft, I do not think software can compensate this

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • Matthew B
    Matthew B Πριν 2 ημέρες

    The 737 MAX represents the worst failure in commercial aircraft design in over 6 decades. Just as bad as deHavilland putting square windows on the Comet! Umm, DUH!

  • J Ra
    J Ra Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Thank you excellent vid

  • John Townsend
    John Townsend Πριν 2 ημέρες

    trump has blood on his hands! His reckless government shutdown caused protracted delays in identifying and correcting problems with the Boeing 737 Max aircraft and his reckless incompetence in the lax handling of senior management appointments including directorships at the FAA seriously compromised aircraft safety diligence. This guy is dangerous.

    • rokguitarstar
      rokguitarstar Πριν 17 ώρες

      Trump had nothing do with this, Boeing is a corporation independent of the government

  • Xintian Wang
    Xintian Wang Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Make love. No MAX.

  • khatun 777
    khatun 777 Πριν 2 ημέρες

    And the reason for all of this? Boeing cancelled the B757, which is THE AIRCRAFT that the B737 is trying to be.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      No airline wanted the 757.

  • khatun 777
    khatun 777 Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Boeing outright lied to the FAA and pilots about this system. But as Boeing said and I paraphrase: *The probability of a crash due to MCAS would be 1 in every 1 million miles flown.* When has there ever been a "system" on an aircraft was designed to kill every 1 million miles flown.... ? And THIS is acceptable to Boeing????

  • Curious Guy
    Curious Guy Πριν 2 ημέρες

    You can break laws, buy laws and avoid jail time in 3rd world countries. FAA allowed Boeing to certify it's 737 Max. What's the difference between corrupt systems in 3rd world countries and America?

  • R. R.
    R. R. Πριν 2 ημέρες

    What does the CEO of Boeing say about this?

  • Stewie Griffin
    Stewie Griffin Πριν 2 ημέρες +1

    this was a worst software solution ever. But I can imagine that the engineers were pushed to deliver quick dirty fix asap

    • Matthew B
      Matthew B Πριν 2 ημέρες

      Some dumbass millennial coder who never flew an hour in his life was in control of the aircraft.

  • claudio vieira
    claudio vieira Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Poor design. Ridiculous Boeing's rush for money forgettng safety. It is like steering a vehicle that has a tendency to go to the right needing a constant control instead of a passive control system. They should have redesigned the landing gear (higher) and do the required structural changes in the plane. It would accept the new engine similar to what Airbus did. But instead they decided to to a bandaid solution of installing the engine in this old (more than 50 years) 737 structure. Shame Boeing... All for money and forgetting safety. FAA equally shamed to license this aircraft with no further tests. Fire responsible people for this design, put in jail and redesign this airplane as it should be! Same problem Boeing is facing for the Boeng 787 with the assembly lines... rush rush rush for money and not concerned w safety.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • AsianBoiZ1
    AsianBoiZ1 Πριν 2 ημέρες

    Now these day companies just relied on software more than actual hardware, instead of actually re-engineer the product to make it better they just make a cheap software to even it problem and here is the result. I’m not trying to say software are easy and cheap to develop but if they actually spend the time to improve its hardware then this type of results won’t happen (for the majority)

  • Bob Haltom
    Bob Haltom Πριν 2 ημέρες

    A software upgrade - just like the ones you get dozens of everyday for your laptop computers powered by a certain company that might begin with M, but your laptop doesn't cost millions of dollars and carry people.

  • Roos in space
    Roos in space Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Software upgrade error plus poor training by Boeing

  • Caramelo
    Caramelo Πριν 3 ημέρες

    I don’t care how much software update Boeing will do for this airplane. I’m not flying it, and completely lost trust in Boeing. A plane should never have a physical fault and much less have its design error being counteracted by software. This is crazy! Plus, Boeing tried to hide what happened with the first crash, of course. Also, we cannot trust the FAA for covering Boeing’s incompetence. There is tones of money in this. One word: corruption. And it seems crime goes unpunished these days in the US.

  • LuigianoMariano
    LuigianoMariano Πριν 3 ημέρες

    You know what might've prevented this?
    Improved landing gear.
    To give more clearance for the bigger engine!

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      +Why Soitanly Longer gear would have required a complete redesign of the plane. There just isn't room for it. 50 years ago many airports around the world did not have the equipment to load baggage into a higher cargo hold. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

    • Why Soitanly
      Why Soitanly Πριν ημέρα

      When does "unbelievably dumb" segue into "criminally liable"? The entire 737 fleet was designed around a lowered profile so that baggage handlers would not need to ride a lift to open the baggage hatches. That's the principal reason the engines are so close to the ground (17 inches). A truly stupid, fifty year old design decision. Maybe if Boeing had just lengthened the main landing gear a couple of feet to accommodate larger engines hundreds of passengers would not have been killed. No need for MCAS. Who gives a damn about inconveniencing baggage handlers? Apparently, Boeing senior management values them over the lives of their passengers.
      www.thedailybeast.com/before-fatal-lion-air-crash-boeings-new-jet-hit-problem-in-tests

  • Jack Smith
    Jack Smith Πριν 3 ημέρες +1

    The day before the Lion Air accident..a reserve pilot shut off MACS and they flew the plane manually. This is the procedure. Next day they did notvturn it off. Ethiopian pilots turned it off...but turned it back on..wrong...this is what happened...Boeing may havecsome culpability but these pilots did not follow procedure...pilot error causes most airplane crashes...sorry..vox.com is liberals looking to blame...

  • Martin Garlisch
    Martin Garlisch Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Gru's minions would have done a better job upgrading that plane ..

  • Jack Smith
    Jack Smith Πριν 3 ημέρες +1

    Pilot error!

  • Jack Smith
    Jack Smith Πριν 3 ημέρες +1

    Horrible video

  • larrysafetykam
    larrysafetykam Πριν 3 ημέρες +1

    I'd fly on one of these. As long as the entire C suite of Boeing and all their children were on board. ?

  • andgate2000
    andgate2000 Πριν 3 ημέρες

    I have friend whos a mech on these.....the bigger the engine the lower its mounted....the lower it mount...the more it wants to lift and pitch up the the nose. So....software!

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Pretty much spot on. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • PoakoTonga Poako
    PoakoTonga Poako Πριν 3 ημέρες +1

    F22 technology f35 engine... An all US bots try to make it look good

  • Nick AZ
    Nick AZ Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Damn, that is terrible.

  • Kravuis Disturbed
    Kravuis Disturbed Πριν 3 ημέρες +3

    MCAS= May Crash Any Seconds

  • Elchin Pirbabayev
    Elchin Pirbabayev Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Boeing should have outsourced MCAS to Sukhoi (Superjet 100)... say what you what but ONLY the Sukhoi knows how to compensate moments of inertia properly.

  • w41duvernay
    w41duvernay Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Just another horror show from the American Free Market system. As long as the CEO can make money and a scum bag Congressman can get his donation, it's OK. Let's not make sure everything is ok before it goes to market.

  • Emm Pedno
    Emm Pedno Πριν 3 ημέρες

    it's because it's made in us-eh

  • James Petrycia
    James Petrycia Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Yes. Punishment on Boeing Corp.

  • Avinash Mohanty
    Avinash Mohanty Πριν 3 ημέρες

    Oh it's a normal thing..it's happening ever since human resided on the planet..the self catering greedy nature of the human without thinking of anything else about others is what causing damage..and one time will come there wud be nothing left to damage..

  • Patz13
    Patz13 Πριν 3 ημέρες +2

    Boeing should have raised the profile of the 737...to fit the larger engines under the wings ... without all the computer fixes to compensate for stalls.

    • stimproid
      stimproid Πριν 17 ώρες

      Longer gear would have required a complete redesign of the plane. There just isn't room for it. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

    • Ray Two
      Ray Two Πριν 23 ώρες +1

      should have put lift kits 😂

  • Juilie Thakur
    Juilie Thakur Πριν 3 ημέρες

    The engines shredded to bits trying to fight back the nosedive-nose-up snag in the software.

  • Tim Connolly
    Tim Connolly Πριν 3 ημέρες +2

    What a rush.... Last year they built 21 airplane per month.. but they will building 59 airplanes per month in June 2019. As for me, they built too fast. They could take time to building correct and inspecting, I wish to tell them slow down and be safe...

  • mweb1
    mweb1 Πριν 3 ημέρες +2

    VOX has no clue!